Justin continues his conversation with illusionist and atheist Derren Brown. They discuss his latest stage show Miracle where Derren appears to be able to heal people and even ‘slay’ them in the spirit. Does his ability to produce manufactured miracles show that healing claims are a con?  They also discuss where the burden of evidence lies when it comes to miracles and God.

Justin is joined again for the final part of the show by Dave Rose, Jamie Cutteridge and Ruth Jackson to reflect on the interview. He also speaks to Rico Tice and Barry Cooper about their new evangelism course Life Explored

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